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1962 Falcon 2.3 Turbo Build - Sold the 85 Mustang
#31

(12-09-2020, 09:42 AM)TurboRay Wrote:  
(12-08-2020, 11:09 PM)drew85gt Wrote:  I can already tell I need to move the upper shock (now strut) mount up.  
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Not sure if you'd care for the "look", Drew ~ BUT......what about your original idea of using longer (grade 8?) strut-mount bolts (with thick-walled tubular spacers?)?  <shrug>


I thought about that, but the undermount I don't think is designed for the shock body and spring to be thru it, just the shaft.  I say this, because the plate on top of the coilover with the roller bearing is already beat up from hitting that plate...because it already protrudes too far.  Maximum Motorsports gives 2 short and 2 long spacer for the strut shaft and instructions say for a lowered car (SN95) put one short under and the rest on top.  I think I have to run at min one large spacer down there to get the strut top plate out of harms way, but that reduces my bump travel another 1/4" already.
The only way I see that working is to open the hole on the MM underplate, but there's not a lot of meat there, so I don't think I will gain much. Plus is the spring is up in the hole, there is not going to be much in the way of caster/camber adjustment.

Trust me, I've thought about it...that would be much easier.  As would K member spacers...but there's only so much.  I might go ahead and run 1/2" of K member spacer, but anymore would probably create more headaches.
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#32

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Whose struts, Drew? MM, AJE or ??? If they're unused (other than for mock-up), perhaps they could be exchanged for shorter versions? SORRY to keep pestering.......I'm just tryin' to think of an easy solution w/o having to graft on (taller) Mustang shock towers (LINK = '65 R/H.......LINK = '67 R/H).  <shrug>
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#33

(12-09-2020, 11:47 PM)TurboRay Wrote:  .
Whose struts, Drew? MM, AJE or ??? If they're unused (other than for mock-up), perhaps they could be exchanged for shorter versions? SORRY to keep pestering.......I'm just tryin' to think of an easy solution w/o having to graft on (taller) Mustang shock towers (LINK = '65 R/H.......LINK = '67 R/H).  <shrug>

Ray, they are Strang single adjustable SN95 struts I bought used...so basically I got them for the price of ONE new one. SO I am pretty sure I can come close to breaking even on them if I sell them and buy Fox struts.

I don't think it's going to be terribly hard. I'll have to wait a week to find out. I'll be out of town all this weekend. My 65 shock tower came today. So I can slice and dice it before I do anything on the car.
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#34

(12-10-2020, 09:00 PM)drew85gt Wrote:  I'll be out of town all this weekend.   
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Hopefully, you won't be traveling in one of those tubular "petri dishes" that hurtles thru the sky by virtue of jet propulsion! On November 23rd, the husband of my wife's friend flew from Sacramento to Montana for a hunting trip with a group of his buddies and they ALL caught Covid 19. Upon returning home, he gave it to wifey and they BOTH wound up in intensive care. She's still in the hospital (outta the ICU) and better, but hubby died last Sunday (12/6)!!  <eek>  Sad
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#35

(12-10-2020, 11:08 PM)TurboRay Wrote:  
(12-10-2020, 09:00 PM)drew85gt Wrote:  I'll be out of town all this weekend.   
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Hopefully, you won't be traveling in one of those tubular "petri dishes" that hurtles thru the sky by virtue of jet propulsion! On November 23rd, the husband of my wife's friend flew from Sacramento to Montana for a hunting trip with a group of his buddies and they ALL caught Covid 19. Upon returning home, he gave it to wifey and they BOTH wound up in intensive care. She's still in the hospital (outta the ICU) and better, but hubby died last Sunday (12/6)!!  <eek>  Sad

That's terrible. I'm driving over to Heber Springs, Ark to my brother's place. My dad turned 89 today. He lives alone in Corpus Christi, although my sister is close by and has been keeping him out of the Covid zones this year. But it's been since Christmas since we had seen him. So 3 weeks ago my brother and I drove down to get him. He's ready to go home, so we are taking him back. At his age, and with his medical history, he's at a pretty high risk, so he didn't come to Memphis on this trip...just stayed over in Heber.

Bonzai run. Drive down Sat, come back Sun. Sunday's gonna suck. Get up at 6ish, get to Heber by 4 or 5 and then 3 more hrs to Memphis! I may stay the night and drive into work about 10 Monday.
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#36

Well, after spending 5 or 6 weekends this past summer and fall helping my brother renovate the mobile home he bought in Heber Springs, Ark, I got some payback.  He came over and we spent a good 9 hours in the garage Saturday and 4 more yesterday.  We (he) made a new top mount for the struts that locates it 2" higher than the stock Falcon tower.

We came to this measurement, when we mocked it up, and at about the ride height I wanted, there was only about 2.75" of compression travel on the strut.  The SN95 struts I have, have about 6.5" of travel.  We surmised we want roughly half compression, half extension travel.  So we needed to raise it at least an inch.  We went 2, so there would be some level of adjust-ability to the ride height.  We made new top plates and 'spacer strips' out of 12 gauge metal.  Cut the tops of the factory shock mounts off and welded it in.

It's amazing how much rigidity the out bolt in panel with the bump stop adds, so it has to stay.  I will have to carefully choose front wheels to make sure there is no interefence, but it's not a big deal...it clears the 16x7 wheels on there now.  I also plan in the future to build a tip over jig and flip the thing over.  At that point, I'll add a 1.5" or 1.75" tube anchored to the firewall that runs across the apron and back down to the frame rail, with gussets to the apron for additional strength.  As well, I'll be adding an export brace to tie back into the firewall.


Yesterday we also put the K member in permanently.  It's only held in with 2 bolts on each side, and I am going to upgrade those to Grade 8, but probably also weld the front and rear flange in, just to ensure it's solid.  Not so much weld it can't be ground off if ever needed.  After putting the K member in, we mocked it back up and it was IN THE WEEDS!  Jacked it up, raised the coil overs 2" inches and it's almost perfect ride height...imo.  The center of the front fender lip is 25" off the floor.  Tire seems to fill it and is fairly well centered.  The lower control arms I am using have rods ends, so there is still some adjust-ability in it.

I'm pretty much off for 2 weeks, so I think this week's project will be to strip the engine bay and paint it.  I think it will be warm enough until Christmas eve, after that it's getting colder.  

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#37

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That looks like a lotta work, Drew! Outta shear laziness,  I probably woulda opted for swapping in one of the taller Mustang shock towers that I linked, lol. But.....GOOD JOB!! How did you fill what appears to be a huge tapered gap between the fenderwell and outboard side of your new top plate (as depicted below)?  <shrug>

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#38

(12-21-2020, 07:28 PM)TurboRay Wrote:  .
That looks like a lotta work, Drew! Outta shear laziness,  I probably woulda opted for swapping in one of the taller Mustang shock towers that I linked, lol. But.....GOOD JOB!! How did you fill what appears to be a huge tapered gap between the fenderwell and outboard side of your new top plate (as depicted below)?  <shrug>

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I bought one of those Mustang towers off Ebay someone must have bought it and not used. I got it for $35 shipped, but after looking, it would require drilling out a million or so spot welds and it's not exactly the same shape or fit as the Falcon tower. Just cutting the top off and adding on to it worked out pretty well.

My brother and I looked at the gap for a bit and tried to figure out how to cut a tiny 1/4" strip and weld it in or close that much/long of a gap with weld. He snapped his fingers and said run up to Tractor Supply and buy some 1/4 square stock. It'll fill the gap and be easy to weld without blowing holes thru it. I'm going to go over both towers and add some more weld in a couple of spots and grind it smooth. This isn't a show car, but I can already hear keyboard warriors saying you've got some porous welds or that's crappy flux core welds.

Once my brother got some time on the FC-90 flux core welder he got dialed in on it. I don't think I took any pictures, but the 'ring' around the top plate was welding completely from the top and on the bottom. Once wire brushed, it looked as good as any gas MIG welding I've seen. I'm pretty confident in the strength of the welds. Now, the strength of the original sheet metal is another story that has to be addressed with a support bar.
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#39

(12-21-2020, 08:11 PM)drew85gt Wrote:  Once my brother got some time on the FC-90 flux core welder he got dialed in on it. 
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For a long time, my flux-core welds ~ using a Lincoln "Weld-Pak 155" ~ looked like crap.......then one day I discovered that I had accidentally reversed the cable-polarity during a previous maintenance operation, DOHH!  <slapface>  After correcting it, my welds suddenly improved dramatically, lol.   Shy
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(12-21-2020, 09:00 PM)TurboRay Wrote:  
(12-21-2020, 08:11 PM)drew85gt Wrote:  Once my brother got some time on the FC-90 flux core welder he got dialed in on it. 
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For a long time, my flux-core welds ~ using a Lincoln "Weld-Pak 155" ~ looked like crap.......then one day I discovered that I had accidentally reversed the cable-polarity during a previous maintenance operation, DOHH!  <slapface>  After correcting it, my welds suddenly improved dramatically, lol.   Shy

My brother has years of welding.  I don't.  But hooked up correctly, I can make passable welds.  Reverse polarity, it looks like Stevie Wonder got a hold of a stick welder and just went to town! 

Ask how I know!

Shy
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